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10 October 2009 @ 12:40 pm
2.04 Guinevere & Lancelot  
Apologies if this entry is a bit all over the place, I'm writing it as it comes to mind. And I'm sure I'll miss a ton of nuances and a lot of blatant bits too, so apologies for that ;)


I was really very pleasantly surprised by that episode. It was achey in all the right ways. My only sadness is that Gwen is going to get the short end of almost every stick in fandom, when she's the one who has lost the most.

Firstly, Lancelot. Last season's episode, he bothered me. But today, I really enjoyed him. He had the wool taken from his eyes, had lost his hope, and his will to pursue his goals (ie: become a knight of Camelot). It was hard to see someone who had been so good hit rock bottom, but it was interesting too, as Merlin hasn't ever showed us something like that before. And they showed it well, IMO.

Gwen/Lancelot felt okay to me. I thought it was easy to see why Lancelot pined away for her - she was so kind and generous to him while he was in Camelot, and she spoke to him about all the goodness she saw in him, how they - commoners - could and should affect change. How they were the same. He was vulnerable then; sure, he was still starry eyed over being in Camelot and having the opportunity to be a knight, but he had never been tested, and was anxious about that. She gave him faith.

And once again, she did here as well. "I still see the hope in your eyes," was just what he needed to hear. They needed each other there - where Lancelot felt forsaken, and Gwen felt utterly abandoned.

For her part, I'm not shocked that Gwen had feelings for him. In Lancelot it was clear that he interested her, but in Gwen fashion, she moved on. As she said, she never thought she'd see him again. Now, he appears, while she's clearly still nursing her heartache over Arthur (see: their shared looks at the beginning, Morgana's comments on Gwen's recent reticence) and there are no barriers between she and Lancelot (save that of steel). Once she's free, Lancelot could return with her, and they could try and start something. She could rekindle his hope/faith/morality, and he would be a companion to her - nothing stood in their way.

I hardly see it as a betrayal against Arthur, not when he said himself that nothing could be between them, and then Hengist (is that how you spell it?) nailed her worst fears on the head: that she had been abandoned and left to rot (in her mind: because she was a servant, nothing more.)

Someone once said that Gwen always seemed lonely in s1. I totally think this is true, and now that loneliness is accentuated by the fact that there's someone wandering around the kingdom who Gwen thinks she could one day love, but neither of them can touch each other.

So, once again, vulnerable.

Which also brings us, conveniently, to Arthur. Prince who has not been denied much in his life, is suddenly denying himself something that he wants more than anything. And I think it's safe to say that Arthur has never felt anything like what he feels for Gwen before; it's still in the rose-tinted puppydog stage of things for him, tainted by Uther's shadow.

I liked that Arthur knew almost immediately that something was between Lancelot and Gwen - when he asked Lancelot what he was doing there, it was almost defensive (also, Lancelot is a liar but that's okay. He was distracted by giant rat pig thing). And his lie at the campfire about coming only because Morgana asked him to - everyone saw right through it. Hell, Lancelot, who had been in their company for all of 10 minutes could guess that it was a dirty lie. And I think Gwen knew that, but it doesn't hurt any less; he'd also just said that his father would never send any help for a servant and then followed it up by denying he had any care in the matter, either.

But I don't think there are going to be additional walls between them now. The way Arthur looked at her when she was crying, and how soft he was re-introducing her to Morgana, to me, shows that he's just sad but I think he'll still do anything for her.

Lancelot gave us a snippet of his former self: chivalry and loyalty to his sovereign first. And, too, I think he sees exactly what Gwen could do for the kingdom, and puts that above what she could do for him. Lancelot and Gwen are very similar people.

Gwen has the worst deal. First she was dealing with her feelings for Arthur, then she thought she had a chance for happiness with Lancelot, only to have both men decide of their own freewill that really maybe they shouldn't be doing this. Gwen has a high sense of selfworth, she's a strong girl, with a steady confidence and a view of the world that's backed by a strong sense of conviction. That doesn't mean it hurts any less to have two people you would give your heart to, essentially decide that it's not worth it to try and work things out. Not to mention, who does she have to talk about it with? She can't talk to Morgana, because of the taboo nature of things with Arthur (and the fact that Morgana has a hell of a lot on her plate already) and she can't talk with Merlin because of his proximity to Arthur. So she's stuck dealing with it herself - alone again.

Anyway, I thought it was a great episode. And, so far as plots in Merlin go, not to shabby! As a hardcore Arthur/Gwen shipper (I know! Shocking!) I think this is all fantastic. They need to grow apart, get some scabs, have some experiences (it would be nice if Arthur fell for someone else for an episode or two) and be brought back together when the moment really counts. And it would be really lovely if they could have a bit of a friendship in between, but given Arthur has also said this is impossible, I'm going to give up that particular pipe dream.

As for Lancelot, I hope next time he's back, he's a bit happier. Just sayin'. And I hope he and Gwen have a lovely, "you were great for me then, and maybe we could be great together later, but I think, actually, there's someone who would work with me a little bit better still out there" BUT IN A MUTUAL WAY. Not in a Lancelot-ditches-Gwen-again-way. Or the girl's going to get a damn complex.
 
 
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sundae_sweet: arthur gwen so impossiblesundae_sweet on October 10th, 2009 10:08 pm (UTC)
Agreed. I don't mind the Lancelot/Gwen vibes because for them and their attraction to each other, it was more out of the need to lean on someone when they were at their lowest.

If they had met again in Camelot, I'm sure Gwen would have been a lot more hesitant when it came to returning Lancelot's feelings.
kePPy: Merlin: Gwen come home to mekepp0xy on October 14th, 2009 06:15 pm (UTC)
Sorry for the delayed reply!

I agree - to an extent. I think Gwen does feel something more real than love born of urgency, but certainly the intensity of it is from the need to lean on someone.

And you're right - had Lancelot ridden into Camelot one random afternoon, things would have been vastly different. For one thing, Lancelot would have actually had to court Gwen if he wanted her. Not just sweep her off her feet at the eleventh hour :]
the fury in your head: sk. » like orpheus and eurydice (almost)smittenly on October 10th, 2009 10:15 pm (UTC)
THIS. Going into my Favorites. I had a ramble all ready to go but I'll spare you, lol. Suffice to say that you hit the nail on the head with this and I agree with this post 100x over. (And thank you for saying that Lancelot and Gwen are very similar - it's so true!)
kePPy: Merlin: Gwen once & futurekepp0xy on October 14th, 2009 06:16 pm (UTC)
Sorry for the delayed reply!

Ah, I'd always love to read a ramble, never spare me ;)

Lancelot and Gwen are pretty much mirrors of each other in all the important ways. Thanks for popping in with this comment!
just heatherheather on October 10th, 2009 10:57 pm (UTC)
I agree with this post so much! This episode was way more revelatory about Gwen's character than I expected it to be.

Much as I feel for Arthur and I do, oh Gwen! Her fears of being unloved and abandoned and worthless. Her feelings of loneliness.

And much as these guys like her, HER feelings for them whatever they might be take a backseat to their feelings of honor and duty and pride and whatever else. Both of them. I found her totally sympathetic here.
kePPy: Celeb: Angel sepia curlskepp0xy on October 14th, 2009 06:19 pm (UTC)
Sorry for the delayed reply!

The episode really was a fantastic one for Gwen and it makes me really irate disappointed that people totally missed the point of it, in terms of her character.

What I would really love to see is Gwen taking a stand to one/both of the guys and telling them to stfu so she can have a say. Except, in a very Gwen-like way, obviously... 0:]
just heather: Merlin: Guinevereheather on October 14th, 2009 07:01 pm (UTC)
it makes me really irate disappointed that people totally missed the point of it, in terms of her character.

ME TOO. I don't think many people got it. To be fair the writers don't explicitly explore her character very much; most of the cues we get come from Angel's acting. But seriously. When Hengist said "it seems that no one in the world cares for you" and I saw her face, I wanted to simultaneously tear up and throttle him. Oh, Gwen.

What I would really love to see is Gwen taking a stand to one/both of the guys and telling them to stfu so she can have a say.

This would make me SO happy. Would involve getting to see HER perspective on things once in a while, but if it happened I would die of glee.
kePPy: Merlin: Gwen once & futurekepp0xy on October 15th, 2009 09:41 pm (UTC)
To be fair the writers don't explicitly explore her character very much; most of the cues we get come from Angel's acting.

I agree, but at the same time: nnggghhh. People in this fandom seem so indisposed to give Gwen a chance that I'm pretty bitter. I swear, had the story been about Merlin or Arthur (where the character stuff was reliant upon their acting), no one would have been slamming the character for "questionable" behaviour, and everyone would be pouncing all over the great depth demonstrated. Le sigh.

But, focusing on the good, we did get to see the breadth of who Gwen is - from really, truly bottom of the pit to kick ass future queen and I just want to bundle her up and give her a gold star for being so awesome.

Would involve getting to see HER perspective on things once in a while

PTB, please? But I almost think that's where they have to go now... If she and Arthur stay too long at a stalemate, their story will get old. I kind of think it's up to Gwen for now to decide that, "yes, actually. I sort of want to be with Arthur in a possibly permanent kind of way" and then force him to face the reality of their situation and what it would mean. Otherwise... I'm not entirely sure how it would move forwards.
Lucy: Merlin: Arthur/Gwenlunylucy on October 10th, 2009 11:36 pm (UTC)
I basically couldn't agree with you more.

This episode hurt but I think good things will come of it eventually.
kePPy: Merlin: A/G soft caresseskepp0xy on October 14th, 2009 06:20 pm (UTC)
Agreed. I'm actually really excited to see where they take us with it.
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kePPy: Merlin: Gwen knowingkepp0xy on October 14th, 2009 06:38 pm (UTC)
I pretty much blame you for the fact that I'm currently writing a fic that sort of follows that line of thought. Just so you know ;P
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kePPy: Merlin: Gwen lost in stained glasskepp0xy on October 14th, 2009 06:41 pm (UTC)
Not gunna lie, I totally LOL'd at your sentence: that both Lance and Arthur don't have the sack to talk to her about what they're doing and why.

Also, I think some of their reasoning is understandable, and Gwen is a smart girl so she can logic it out, but that doesn't mean that understanding the whys and wherefores makes it hurt any less, ya know?