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13 August 2008 @ 03:18 pm
Torchwood ramble Doctor Who ramble ramble ramble ramble; oh hey! RL!  
RE: Torchwood.  I watched up to episode 6 now, and I must say that 5 & 6 are SIGNIFICANTLY better than 1-4.  I'm still not sure that I like it; there's a bit too much ~*~angst~*~ and ~*~sexual drama~*~ in it right now, when I'd prefer wholesome character development and interesting adventures, but we'll see.  I'm not totally adverse to watching more.

In rewatching Turn Left, I have new appreciation for Catherine Tate. 
The woman is an acting genius and does things with the scripts she's provided with that are truly amazing.  I'm sure I'm preaching to the converted, but I have to squee a bit.  I hadn't thought of it before, but she really brought three (THREE!) variations of Donna to life on screen: 1) Pre-Doctor Donna, all sarcasm and barbed defenses, 2) DoctorDonna, softened, adventurous and loyal, 3) Never-Doctor, Apocalypse Donna, stripped of sarcasm and thrown into dealing with the dreary.  Bloody fantastic; I believed each Donna was the true Donna, I couldn't find fault in the development.  *glees* I'm scared to rewatch Stolen Earth & Journey's End even more now, because her loss will be so much more pronounced.

I'll admit that my second time through now, Martha's growing on me, but she's still definitely no where close to Rose or Donna and I think I'm figuring out why.  By having her fall so head-over-heels with the Doctor (not that I blame her ; ), she kind of abandons what it is that gives her personality.  I know, I know that Rose was in love with the Doctor too but it wasn't her main focus/personality attribute, and though it may have become more apparent later, she certainly didn't start out in love.  They butchered Martha from the top by stripping away personality in lieu of her unrequited crush.  It belittled her sometimes-bravery by making it seem all about the Doctor (see: Lazarus Experiment).  And most important (or detrimental?), there was no slow character development and growth.  It was crammed into the finale.  

All that said, Martha does kick major ass from Utopia onwards and I really start to enjoy her from that point on.  However, also beginning at that point, she's not so lovey-dovey for the Doc and starts to lead her own life again - definitely in season 4.  She rediscovers her goals, develops new ones and begins independently thinking again and find the strength/ambition to seek out another love, letting the Doctor go.  In other words, her once flat character becomes interesting and fleshed out.  If we'd had a season of the latter-time Martha, I bet I for one would've enjoyed her a hell of a lot more.

And, so that this isn't all just Martha pseudo-bashing, the scene in Last of the Time Lords, when the Master has her fucking kneeling in front of him, about to shoot her dead, and she just starts laughing?  MAJOR ASS KICKING PWNAGE.  That was the solidification of me liking Martha.

If you've counter arguments, please do tell!  I'd like some discussion on Martha's character because I still can't really get a deepened grasp on her outside of the above, which isn't very deep at all really.

Meeting last night went okie.  Meeting again next Thursday to rehash ideas and suchnought ;D!  

Beginning to really realize how annoying current work schedule is, and how little money I make from the inconvenience.  It's a good job for the school year, but goddamnit I should've tried way harder to find something better for the summer.  Sigh.  Hindsight is 20/20.  One can only learn from mistakes.
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level five laser lotus: dw rosetvheartache on August 14th, 2008 03:20 am (UTC)
I want really badly to like Martha, but I just can't. But this is mainly because she was the first companion after Rose and therefore had so much to live up to in my book. And she just didn't do it for me. I'm sure a large part of it was due to the fact that I was still all "ROOOOSE!" when I first watched Martha's season, but I don't know ... the connection (both with the Doctor and this might sound cheesy, but with me) wasn't there.

But yes, she does have some really kick-ass moments and when she isn't angsting over the Doctor (I looove that part in Journey's End where she says to Rose "oh my god, he found you?"), she is so much better as a character. Although like you said, I can't exactly fault her for being in love with the Doctor, haha.

And oh TORCHWOOD. Stick around until season two - it gets so good. I think the creators would like to pretend that season one was nothing but a bad, bad dream.
level five laser lotus: dw rose & tentvheartache on August 14th, 2008 03:20 am (UTC)
Yay for giant comments! Wow ...
kePPy: Dr Who: Ten & Rose 'errrr...'kepp0xy on August 15th, 2008 05:30 am (UTC)
I love giant comments! ... apparently so much I had to respond in kind! O_O
level five laser lotus: corbett king of the impossibletvheartache on August 15th, 2008 06:58 am (UTC)
Haha, I love them too. Except I have a tendency to be rambly and extremely incoherent (more so than usual) and I never catch my mistakes. So if you actually understand me, you should congratulate yourself or something, haha.
kePPy: Dr Who: Rose bitten tongue gleekepp0xy on August 15th, 2008 05:24 am (UTC)
I totally agree. When I say it cemented me liking her... it was more of a "I don't want to say that it more or less just brought me to neutral" if that makes sense. SHe's just totally lacking something that Rose and even Donna had. She didn't really do anything but balance the Doctor, whereas Donna and obviously Rose add and improved his life. And it's true too, Rose was easier to connect with for our generation I think, because she's closer to our living standard right now: working part time or full time job, maybe going to school but not really settled in anything yet. Martha was about to become a doctor herself, she had her life pseudo figured out. It sort of seems strange for her to leave it all behind, now that I think about it. So saying that the connection with you wasn't there, I totally get it. And not cheesy at all. Well, maybe a little bit, but a good kind of cheese. :D

hahaha definitely no fault there; it's just the obsession I think ;) I think the reason she's better as a character is because she fills out, suddenly she has depth because it isn't all just about the Doctor. Much more interesting and tension-filled when there's more to the characters than their time with the Doctor, it makes their sacrifices mean so much more.

heh. D'you reckon I could skip most of S1? TBQH I'm really just trying to hold out until Mickey & Martha join! I ♥ Mickey so damn much now, and I'm hoping Martha will be more fleshed out and interesting in the Torchwood environment...
level five laser lotus: dw rose & tentvheartache on August 15th, 2008 06:57 am (UTC)
I don't think the Doctor was really "ready" to have another new companion. By the time Donna came along, he was ready to accept Rose's departure (as I was. Um. To a certain extent. I am nothing if not one giant Rose fangirl). I think Martha definitely helped him towards that point, but their relationship was just missing something. And yeah, it was so (so) much easier for Martha to walk away from the Doctor at the end. Rose would have stayed with him til the end and Donna didn't want to leave either.

And yeah, all of Martha's later appearances work a lot better, I think. She's off being badass and not angsting about the Doctor at all.

And haha, you could probably skip S1 if you just find out the basic plot points relevant to S2 (I can totally spoil you if you want). S2 gets so weirdly better. I really couldn't believe it. I was questioning whether or not I was actually watching the right show or not.
kePPy: Dr Who: Ten peek over 'who?'kepp0xy on August 17th, 2008 02:29 am (UTC)
I never really stopped to consider whether he was ready or not... I guess they tried to make him ready, what with his "ONE TRIP" "okay... ONE MORE BUT THAT'S IT" "well... maybe ONE MORE. BUT ONLY ONE." and then yeah. But I think he was more just really damn lonely, and hurting, and wasn't used to being hurting and lonely and so he needed someone to ramble to and adventure with. Except that then they made Martha be all in-love with him and it made it unnecessarily complicated.

Exactly. They're better apart.

ahaha if you're into telling me the Torchwood s1 deets, I am all ears! I really dread sitting down and watching... i dunno, like 8 more hours of overdramatic pushy angst just to get to the good stuff. That said, if there's one or two eps worth watching, plz let me know that too! XD! And only if it's no bother ... heh!
level five laser lotus: dw billie is gorgeoustvheartache on August 17th, 2008 03:37 am (UTC)
For me, I don't think any companion would've lived up to my expectations. I don't know if I'm looking forward to the next season, since Moffat's taking over, no? And I did not like River Song at all. But we'll see, since I said the exact same thing about Donna and look how that turned out, haha.

Um, my randomly remembered things about S1 (that I ... think are important? Haha):
- Jack/Ianto are in a relationship, as of the "They Keep Killing Suzie" episode.
- Stopwatches are ... not really important, just an amusing thing that pops up a few more times in S2, haha.
- In "Greeks Bearing Gifts", Tosh has a relationship with a woman, who later turns out to be an alien, who later turns out to be evil. She dies. Keep note of that.
- In "Out of Time", three people come out of the rift from the past and are stuck. Owen falls in love with one woman (Diane), who later attempts to fly back into her own time. Owen spends much time angsting over this. Oh, and then in the next episode, he walks into a cage with a weevil (because blah blah some Fight Club thing) and is bitten by it before being saved by Jack (at the end of the episode, he like ... hisses at them or something and they shut up).
- The "Captain Jack Harkness" is one of the better episodes; I'd say it was worth watching. You find out a lot more of Jack's backstory in this. I won't spoil it in case you actually want to watch, but just ask and I'll spoil :)
- In the finale, "End of Days", Owen, Tosh, Gwen, and Ianto open the rift for various reasons - people important to them (i.e. Tosh's mom, Rhys for Gwen because he was killed earlier by the bad guy [introduced in the last episode], Lisa for Ianto, and Diane for Owen). Owen shoots Jack in the head after he tries to stop them. Some big monster thingy, Abaddon (I think vaguely related to the Beast in the Satan Pit episode of DW), comes out (which is the reason for the whole "the darkness is coming" thing repeated throughout the season). They realise they are royally fucked. Jack comes back alive, somehow defeats the monster by, in his analogy (something like what he said anyway), being the all you can eat at a buffet (since the monster fed off life. Yeah, I don't really get it, but whatever). At the end, Jack doesn't come back to life and Ianto has a very Brokeback Mountain moment by crying over Jack's coat. But as you already know, he eventually does come back. Hugs, tears, and kisses all around and then Jack runs off when he hears the Tardis after the team left (to get coffee or something).

Haha, I'm pretty sure that's all. If it made any sense at all.